Cancelについて (2)

ずっと以前にWhite Wolfのフォーラムで、Cancelについて質問している人がいました。
包括的だったので、許可を貰って翻訳・転載しよう、と思いつつモタモタしている間にフォーラム自体が無くなってしまいました。

折角なので、（無断ですが）転載します。（翻訳しようと思うとまた遅くなるので、そのままで。）

Findegil Posted: 14 Nov 2010 3:06 PM

I always feel at least a flicker of uncertainty whenever a card gets cancelled by Direct Intervention, Charismatic Aura, Approximation of Loyalty, etc., etc. Therefore, I'd really appreciate a complete rundown of what happens when a card gets cancelled: whether:

- the pool cost is paid
- the blood cost is paid
- the spent master phase action is regained
- the minion attempting to play an action is tapped
- the NRA rule triggers
- the "no duplicate action modifier/reaction on same action by same minion" is triggered
- the "once per game" restriction is triggered
- the "once per turn" restriction is triggered
- the "once per combat" restriction is triggered
- the "once per combat round" restriction is triggered

Adonai replied on 14 Nov 2010 3:23 PM

> Findegil:
> - the pool cost is paid

Depends on the specific canceling effect. Most refund the cost paid with explicit card text.

> Findegil:
> - the blood cost is paid

Depends on the specific canceling effect. Most refund the cost paid with explicit card text.

> Findegil:
> - the spent master phase action is regained

Wash = Yes. Sudden Reversal = No.

> Findegil:
> - the minion attempting to play an action is tapped

Depends on card text, usually no.

> Findegil:
> - the NRA rule triggers

If it was an action card, no.

> Findegil:
> - the "no duplicate action modifier/reaction on same action by same minion" is triggered

Always.

> Findegil:
> - the "once per game" restriction is triggered

Always.

> Findegil:
> - the "once per turn" restriction is triggered

Always.

> Findegil:
> - the "once per combat" restriction is triggered

Always.

> Findegil:
> - the "once per combat round" restriction is triggered

Always.

etherial replied on 14 Nov 2010 7:38 PM

> Findegil:
> the NRA rule triggers

BTW, what makes NRA different from the things you list below it is that NRA only applies to Actions that resolve. Canceled Actions don't resolve, so NRA doesn't apply.

LSJ replied on 15 Nov 2010 8:57 AM

> Adonai:

>> Findegil:
>> - the "once per combat round" restriction is triggered

> Always.

For only one may be "played" once per round, yes.

for "used" (e.g., additional strike gaining effects), no.

That is the general paradigm: the canceled card is played but the effect is not used. So a restriction on how many can be played will notice the canceled card (e.g., action modifiers), but a restriction on use will not.

Findegil replied on 15 Nov 2010 8:59 AM

Thanks.

> Adonai:

>> Findegil:
>> - the blood cost is paid

> Depends on the specific canceling effect. Most refund the cost paid with explicit card text.

And those that don't say (e.g., Watenda)?
And what about the effect of something like Terror Frenzy, which is not a cost?

LSJ replied on 15 Nov 2010 10:00 AM

> Findegil:

>> Adonai:

>>> Findegil:
>>> - the blood cost is paid

>> Depends on the specific canceling effect. Most refund the cost paid with explicit card text.

> And those that don't say (e.g., Watenda)?

Leave the cost paid.

> Findegil:
> And what about the effect of something like Terror Frenzy, which is not a cost?

Terror Frenzy is a cost.

For effects that are not costs, refunding/negating the cost won't apply to the non-cost effect.

Findegil replied on 15 Nov 2010 12:20 PM

> LSJ:
> Terror Frenzy is a cost.

Okay, now I'm confused.

Terror Frenzy
"Opposing vampire burns an additional blood when playing combat cards this combat."

I thought the reason Meshenka has to pay for superior Chiropteran Marauder was that "burning blood" is not a cost?

LSJ replied on 15 Nov 2010 1:09 PM

Terror Frenzy:
an additional blood this combat.

http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Cardlist_T#Terror_Frenzy *1

Stemming from the RTR 7/7/7 ruling about costs

Terror Frenzy:

Superior Terror Frenzy affects card costs.[LSJ 20070829]

*1:このリンクは辿っても無駄です。